na phpnuke is growing.. the new is 76B5 .. this is really sweet..

Im not so sure to be honest, Its true there arnt so many developers no more for PHPNuke, but then again there is a hell of a lot of mods/add ons already for PHPNuke...

I Think its growth has slowed down some what and its possibly hit its peek, It defiantly needs an injection from some direction.

Maybe in the form of making 3rd party mods none GPL might help bring coders/themer's back to PHPNuke, and maybe if Francisco Burzi, owner of PHPNuke listened to sites like Ravens and NSN on a few subjects and pulled it together a bit...

No sooner as FB releases a new version of Nuke, the community grabs it and sorts it out ...

Oh well not so much a rant, just some thoughts on my side of the topic conversation.

I would have to say yes...and the reason being is that the Nuke Community...as a whole...needs the staff that support the issues. Its that staff that is also leaving. With the lack of new modules and blocks being created as well as the Support Sites simply becoming dormant, this leaves the community with a negative impression. What makes matters worse though is that the community has growing more interesting to kids not knowing how to even install Nuke...asking routine questions, failing to learn to search for their answers, or even checking their edits. This kills not only the motivation of the staff but drains them of the patience needed in supporting the community. With authors disappearing...their script releases sit in limbo, and become outdated in the sense of security issues, it is then suddenly Nuke as a whole that is seen as the risk and not the script itself.

When we think of all of the Guru's of Yesterday...we could easily name off a large number, where as today, that number is far smaller, and possibly even arguable. One of the things my site focuses on, is using the donations to buy new scripts for the community...these scripts are released free for public use. Its the scripts that make the community, but once people start to see the same scripts over and over...with no new updates, they realize that the community is a ghost town, and simply move on. With the donations...we hirer coders to perform the tasks that we can't...filling the 'toy box' back up. Once Authors see the Nuke Community active again in user strength...new Authors will sprout...and a few new ones will reappear.

Another problem is that far to many coders have become all about the money. With nuke catering to kids more (clans) the likelihood of money being made is considerably less. Support issues will increase and demands and copyrights also seem to be making waves amongst them as well.


Just my thoughts,
Ghost

Nice comments Ghost, I totally agree with your first paragraph. Not sure i read your second one correct though...

One of the things my site focuses on, is using the donations to buy new scripts for the community...these scripts are released free for public use.

Are you saying you buy coders scripts... and then give them away free ?

Nuke will never die.

I think Nuke will come back... even if I have to jump in and help(I probably should) . I left the nuke wagon to follow the trend with CMS's. I tried almost everything that is available. My clan recently switched webservers, so I thought I would start something new for the clan. After many days and hours trying to come up with a half decent site.... I just got frustrated and decided to go back to NUKE. The new site is up, and coming along great. I modified alot of stuff but never written anything. I will start to do my part in the come back of Nuke. I know there are many sites that are dedicated to Nuke, but I am gonna start up another one, can't hurt. Also I want to say Thank-You to all that have made the Nuke world possible.

Long Live Nuke !!! :) James

Ghost hits a few nails on the head but to further elaborate. YES I believe nuke is on the way out.

Why? I think one of the main reasons is the disparate community. It keeps breaking itself into little chunks instead of stay one big mass. You've got Raven Nuke, Evo, Platinum and a dozen other spin offs all trying to be the best package with there small coder groups of 1 - 6 coders. It takes em 1-3 years to come out with the next version and 90% of the time it isn't all that significant of a change. This the 2000's baby you can't keep up with technology at that pace!

Lets say (and I am sure the coder numbers are an exageration in some cases) you have 5 coders each on 4 major distro's That's 20 coders and they could do a hell of alot more serious work working together instead of 4 different teams working on different versions of the same shit.

I talked recently with someone about rebuilding the core from the ground up and they said it'sd take too long. Too much work for 2 or 3 coders to handle and he is basically right.

To illustrate lets pretend an avg coder can produce 10 pages of code a week (personally I think that number is high but he claimed he could do better). So for 1 guy to rewrite 3000 pages of code you are talking 300 weeks or roughly 6 years!

30 coders would produce 300 pages per week and finish in 10 weeks! 2 and half freaken months!

That kind of rate you can do some serious work making a beast that will stand the test of time but till enough coders realize this and decide to put ego's or greed behind them Nuke doesn't stand a chance. It will remain a bit player in a large arena growing weaker as time goes on. It's a fact and wait and see.

Ped yes...we have forums where we construct the ideas...each giving more feedback. Once the ideas stop coming, we then consider the hiring of an Author. We inform the author prior to any agreement, that these mods / modules are released for free to the public. This allows our members to build highly quality ideas, giving our community more Professional and complete modules/mods. Our latest release / Hired worked was the Attachments Hide Mod. So just an idea...we have been thinking about starting up a awesome Forums Ticket Mod, but that is now been back-burnered. I also have an idea for a new Clan Manager....alot of features, far more that Vwar or even 5 Clan managers combined into one.

Duck...one thing to take notice...most of the code that needs changing is repeated throughout the entire nuke base. If you are using the right PHP Editor...you can easily search for that specific set of lines and do an edit to every file that contains those lines on a single click. This would essentially cut down the editing time by 50% - 75%. This does not include debugging.

On another note regarding the fall of Nuke is that to many people demand notice and respect. I am not saying its wrong as it is certainly within the rights of the Author to complain. However of 5 Authors I have seen leave the community due to others removing the copy-rights of their scripts within the past year...4 of those Authors has in fact done the same thing on their sites. The point I am trying to make is that everyone wants to play tug-o-war, but no one seems to be willing to stand as a leader to get everyone on the same page, but also step aside as a leader to allow the others to compromise. Everyone wants to build that awesome site and take credit for the success. Its not what you or I do...its what we do. And together we can make things happen. We are making those very things happen over at evo-united.net . We have joined as a team to not only get the old scripts updated, but also add additional functionalities. When considering the GPL, its purpose, and its mis-guided use...you will realize that alot of people are cheating the system, not just the rippers or thefts...but the authors as well. So it also comes to everyone wanting to point fingers. What we do at evo-united.net is port mods, convert modules, and even create new scripts...but you will never find an individual name from the Evo-United Staff listed in the credits. Instead you will see Evo-United Team. This removes accusations, insults, and even other ill-fated actions of others. We clearly state our goals, purpose, and direction...so that everyone has the opportunity to being on the same page. We work as a team, knowing that its the majority rule that favors all decisions and not the "its my project" argument.

Nuke can be saved...but until someone takes that leadership role, that will never happen. And as many people will say...its Francisco's fault...this is just wrong. Francisco builds an awesome page and constantly adds new features from scratch. If he spent time securing the package BobMarion would then be gone Raven would also scram, as well as many others. When looking at the other CMS's I far to often see the packages becoming more secure....but the functionality being the same, never changing. If Francisco changed his philosophy to focus on the security...then you can say good bye to the enhancements. Its the general new user, not the seasoned expert that makes the demands more loudly, as they simply out number us.

Just my thoughts,
Ghost

Just looked around your site Ghost, very nice idea you have going... Shame there for that horrible Evo version though !

I do so love it when Ignorance shares its Opinion!

Ped, Do tell...whats so "Horrible" about Nuke Evolution ?

The fact that its proven its the "Fastest Running CMS with its features" ??? Or is it because it was the one CMS that wasnt effected by the latest favorites.php Exploit ???

PED, just because you have a problem playing well with other Developers on other CMSes...doesnt mean that their work is "Horrible"!!

I do so love it when Ignorance shares its Opinion! Ped, Do tell...whats so "Horrible" about Nuke Evolution ? The fact that its proven its the "Fastest Running CMS with its features" ??? Or is it because it was the one CMS that wasnt effected by the latest favorites.php Exploit ??? PED, just because you have a problem playing well with other Developers on other CMSes...doesn't mean that their work is "Horrible"!!

I suppose you could say i get my Ignorance (as you put it) from using all 3 different Distro's of Nuke.

Evo is Horrible because its too over the top for users that have never used nuke before.

And the fact that it is the Fastest Running CMS with its features means what exactly ? i could say that my themes load the fastest with there features ?

What other cms is going to have the same features as Evo ? that just doesn't make sense !

I didn't know there was a favorites.php exploit either... And you mention i have "Problems" with other developers ? News to me ?

strange i have to explain this:

Ignorance = Ignorance is a lack of knowledge from not being taught. ( Not the Same as Stupidity )

"Evo is Horrible because its too over the top for users that have never used nuke before." Not true, Evo is a CMS for users that know to read the "Readme" file and learn how to use its features. Obviously, with additional features, one would be required to learn to use those features, otherwise beginners should stick with "Simplicity"! And since "Features" are the basis of the Nuke Evolution Project ill move on as it applies to the next comment-

"What other cms is going to have the same features as Evo ? that just doesn't make sense !" Evo has the same "Standard" features as most of the other flavors of Nukes, such as "Forums" "File Manager" "Modules" "Blocks". In the sense of Comparison, Nuke Evo compared to Nuke Platinum, or Next Generation Nuke, Raven Nuke are all about the same...
Diffrence being that Nuke Evolution "Query count" shows that Evo uses less processes thereby loading faster then any one of the others named. If you dont believe it...count the queries on the default settings of anyone and compare the load times!

"I suppose you could say i get my Ignorance (as you put it) from using all 3 different Distro's of Nuke."
Then you wont be impressed in knowing that i develop for 5 flavors of nuke, 2 flavors of phpPortal systems, and have dabbled in many variations of the Mambo system. If your going to compare the different types of nuke, then you know the diffrences between them and the functionality and features that each one is popular for.

I didn't know there was a favorites.php exploit either...
How can you even compare Distros if your unaware of Up-to-date Security vulnerabilities dealing with each one? That in itself shows that you have no idea whats going on with each Distro, and that your "Opinion" would be Nulled Out due to the lack of knowledge hence the term "Ignorance"!

"And you mention i have "Problems" with other developers ? News to me ?" It shouldn't be, youve renamed 2 Modules that im aware of that where developed from other "Developers" and slapped the Clan Themes name on them....worse, youve sold those scripts. From what ive seen of them, they are exact duplicates with few "Minor" Changes to them and then laid credit to your community. If that isnt a "Problem" with other developers..i wouldnt know what to lable it as..what would YOU call it?

I have a dream that one day the little evo users will be able to hold hands with the little platinum users.
and i dream that someday phpnuke users can hold hands with evo users and platinum users.
then i dream that the ravennuke users will join in too so we can have a big 'ol circle jerk.


Seriously, all the developers from all the seperate communities need to get together and work towards the common goal of putting out quality scripts that will work good on any of the different distro's.

and on a side note, anybody can reduce the # of queries on any database driven php site by using the cache/cache lite scripts from the pear repository.

Bayler dont forget at the end of the day its the users decision to choose a Nuke Distro, I just choose not to use Evo, I also dont recommend it to new users to Nuke as its far to hard to work out and use. If it works dont fix it ...

Oh and for your intreast i just looked up when the favorites.php http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/26183 was found, and i was on holiday, so ill blame it on Floppy for not informing me on his return .. lol

Any way back on topic, as Gotcha and Duck suggest, and you being a coder Bayler, what to you think the chances of the coders getting together and working on 1 Nuke Distro ?

gotcha
anybody can reduce the # of queries on any database driven php site by using the cache/cache lite scripts from the pear repository.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is NOT true, nor SHOULD a person do this on MOST pages.
An example would be "Cacheing the Forums queries"... If this was done, the a user would not see the NEW forums posts without the need to click the "Update Cache" each time they visited those forums. The only way around doing so, would be to write an additional script to "Update the Cache" each Page load which in turn would cause the issue to be worse then just not cacheing it in the first place! Dont get me wrong...there are times Cache is better, but not on ANY script the requires new content to be displayed on an every day basis, and as far as ive seen so far, there arent many Modules or Blocks that the content doesnt change on a weekly basis!

Ped,
Bayler dont forget at the end of the day its the users decision to choose a Nuke Distro, I just choose not to use Evo, I also dont recommend it to new users to Nuke as its far to hard to work out and use. If it works dont fix it .
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Again, "Features are the basis of Nuke Evolution...so its those "Features" that people requested by "Majority Vote" that cause those features to get embeded into Nuke Evo in the first place. You are correct in its the "End Users Preference" ad thats the EXACT thing that motivates the development of it! Bit, just because YOU don't recommend it, doesn't make it a "Horrible Distro"!

Ped writes,
Oh and for your intreast i just looked up when the favorites.php http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/26183 was found, and i was on holiday, so ill blame it on Floppy for not informing me on his return .. lol
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Again, if your going to make "Comments" or state "Opinions" about something, dont you think you should keep up-to-date on these things before you could claim you have the "Knowledge" in doing so?

Ped writes,
Any way back on topic, as Gotcha and Duck suggest, and you being a coder Bayler, what to you think the chances of the coders getting together and working on 1 Nuke Distro ?
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Im not sure i understand this question...are you asking if im interested? or if i think all the Coders that im affiliated with are willing to join a centralized team?

Working together to build one Nuke Supreme would be great but would never happen I suppose. Instead of separating nuke as Evo, Plat and so on, it should of separated more by what nuke was going to be used for, like Clan, business, social cms etc. . All using the basic core so the site would be more adaptable to extra needs. So being that.. all you awesome coders out there could develop a new core together then shoot out your own ways like I mentioned above. For the average website user like myself, I used almost every CMS out there to test or use on one of my sites. I still find Nuke to be my favorite flavour with tonnes of potential. I may not know as much as the coders, but I sure know as the user, how we feel.

I feel Nuke IS NUKE,, And its not really seperated. Lets put into the right content here.... Seperated = Growing ! Think about that.. i started there was phpnuke 6.0,, post nuke, that was it. now in 2007, we still have the phpnuke " our Grand father" hehe.. but we have evoled to now Plat,Evo.and more ! And more to come.. maybe we could use more developers, and coders to come back in and say Hey thats what we all needed. A swift kick in the but,, and get on with wrting fixes for the new nuke help there community preventing hackers who have gotton real good.. TAKE them out. the guys and girls who first got into the thinking proces of writing phpnuke scripts, blocks modules, themes. did this coz they liked it, the feed back.. The reconing. and i for one is so thank full they did this.(What they brought in to the nuke community ) wont be forgoton. just it will make what they started BETTER, They All deserve our thanks .. and one way is to .... KEEP THE COPYRIGHTS, CREDITS INTACT. STOP the Stealing of themes, blocks modules, ripin them ... hideing behind gpl .. when they know gpl only covers nuke ... not the images, mods,, blocks, modules, themes .. that wear the Developers signature or credits,or there copyrights,, when this has been taken out.. the copyrights and credits has just been RIPed.. phpnuke comes in with basic,, but there are so much downloading of new blocks,, mod, themes.. that dont fall under the gpl... but the coder...

GPL Followis anything that uses Nuke Code..doesnt matter if its a Module, block, addon, or Mod if its got Nuke Code in it..its regulated by GPL, Not that its ever really enforced though...and THAT my firend is the downfall of Nuke. Youve got so called "Coders" taking from other coders, so called themers taking from other themers, that nobody really wants to build for nuke...so far..ive worked with developers and themers from over 12 sites..and every one of their staff have been ripped off in some way shape or form.

Now you got all these "Cant we all just get together and build" wishers...and the answer is simply put.."NO"...What your asking is for those that have been stolen from to work with those that did the stealing...why in hell should they put their hard work and pride aside just to make wishes come true?

And for those of you that claim.."Hey i dont support Ripping or Copyright infringement"...ill reply with 2 words " B_LL SH_T" and would you like to buy a vowel! Those of you that Download from sites that offer "Stolen" scripts, themes, or images, are just as guilty as those that that stole the content.

Ghost -> You share the same philosophies as my Team! We need to talk!

Bayler -> How's it going buddy? I share the same view of Ped as you but I gotta give the guy credit that he lets you're attacks at him stand. I personally am impressed with Evo's efforts but am not a huge fan of the distro only because I feel like some things were sacrificed which I prefer to keep. Still it's a very decent Distro. One thing you keep stressing though is the reduced Queries. This brings to mind one concern for me. Is there a php cost involved with those reduced queries? Cause although improvements in queries are good the area of overhead where the most improvement can be made is the PHP itself. It is usually a larger overhead and if you are adding to that overhead in an effort to reduce the number of queries you can end up having the reverse effect of your intention. Often it is actually better to offload functions to the SQL server rather than run the same type of function thru PHP.

In terms of page load times however probably one of the biggest areas of affect are the theme and template system itself. Graphics and its compression not to mention stylesheet structure and Java script includes all can play a much bigger part in reducing page load times than most of the queries or php code that's going on.

But again this brings us to the point of there are sooo many areas needing improvement that it would benefit the community if the developers joined hands and worked together and respected each others vary degrees of skill and not let their ego's get the better of them. More could be accomplished faster and more efficiently. Then Nuke can keep up the race. If not it's gonna get lapped in the first turn (which is happening).

Moony -> That's exactly what my team was hoping. Join forces build an awesome core then the different distro's can branch off at that point if they like building a set of modules tailored to the various niches out there while maintaining the core together. Cross your fingers cause our team is trying to make this a reality one day and with the news that Evo-United has the same intentions there is hope that we may see a united front in the future!

hmm 2 more post arrived before I made my last comment! lol anyway in response to those comments. I just like to say I think everyones a hypocrite! lol

I don't know one single coder in existence that hasn't borrowed (or stole as some of you like to view it) code from someone somewhere. Wehn it boils down to it its much like the artists who says hey I used orange in my painting so you can't use the color orange in anything you do from now on! come one it's ridiculous. This is open source it is supposed to be reused! Speaking of Artists the Theme developers are the biggest hypocrites of them all. They attack anyone trying to steal there themes with vengence yet they all use graphics in there themes they borrowed ( or stole) from somewhere else! You can't tell me all those cool pictures of Soldiers an weapons and tanks you see in the themes here at clan-themes are original! No way hose! The belong to someone else! And I only mention CT cause this is where we are talking (and cause I don't like PED! lol) but every theme, signature etc maker is guilty! Me too cause I make themes etc too!

Everybody has got to let go of who's stealing what and realize if you are gonna code something and somebody is gonna use that code for something else be happy and proud it's getting used. It's what open source is about! If you ain't doing to share get out go learn a compiled language and write full programs!

As far as credit and copywrites go I see it as this:
I don't think there is a need for any one persons name at the bottom of every page of a website and especially not 4 lines (or more) of copywrite code. It's ugly and not fair to the user of product. And I am a coder! Before you say things like well then they don't have to use it blah blah blah. That's not the point. The point is it's good you want them to use it! They want to use it! They are entitled a nice looking site though and all that crap at the bottom is ugly! All that needs to be there is a very small link to open a page that shows all the Copywrite notices which should include EVERYONES name who participated. Good ole Frank B isn't the only one responsible for nuke and what's included or where it's at so it shouldn't be just his name either! It should be EVERYONE!

Anyway that's my 10 cents Canadian or 5 cents American or 2 cents Euro and penny back peso!

viperxp45,
I am sorry to say, but your understanding of the GPL is slanted in the wrong direction. When considering the History of GPL and WHY is was established in the first place, a better understanding of its purpose and what it protects makes much more sense. You can read it here...
http://www.free-soft.org/gpl_history/
The main concept for those not wishing to read this...is that people profiting off of someone else's open sourced (free) software. To many people will use free software, create cool plugins, addons, ect and sell them. Essentially profiting off of the Author who produced the free source code in the first place. With out that free source code, no one would have been able to create those plugins, addons, ect.

As for Nuke Authors banding together to form a single team...I would have to say IMPOSSIBLE. Far to many coders with varying opinions as to what is important, what is the best fix, and of course who is the leader. To many people hate the idea of "being bossed around".

Often times authors and fake-authors envision a better way and attempt to make those things better. But in essence they only provide a Module Loaded System, not fixing issues, bugs, and concerns with the main things that affect Nuke overall. We authors are going to band together the entire base core needs to be split into categories and teams assigned to each.

FOCUS: Eliminate Useless Queries, Enhance Code, Secure Code
Base Core Admin
Template System
Forums
Modules
Blocks
Security
Includes (Collection of Functions, to eliminate useless functions)
Languages

Once this is complete, then the focus needs to be shifted to include the wants and needs (Third Party Scripts). These wants and needs have to be effectively debated to ensure everyones concern is taken into consideration. Does it open security holes? Does it have Browser Compatibility issues? Will it be useful among the community? Alot of things to be discussed.

Once these wants and needs are ironed out, the ideas to make the whole system more fuctional and simply better organized in every aspect needs to be argued and implemented. I know "easier said then done"....but no one is saying. I am sure there are alot of other things to consider, however the idea here is not to cover all the bases, but instead establish what it would require to bring Nuke back into the forefront.

Duke...'lol'....I was just writing exactly the same thing regarding the copyright notices...when an email with your comments arrived. I have been preaching this for a couple of years now. However, instead of every name being included...just a single pop-up as it is now, except with an additional link to view all copyrights...this list will also include direct links to see the script in action on the site the viewer is present. And maybe screenshots for forum mods. Just an idea..


Duke...if you want to contact me...catch me on msn at voice4vision@hotmail.com (USERNAME: Ghost)

Ghost

Duck ->
Cost -vs- function...the easiest answer is "Global Variables"...while its a given that the php code itself should be as clean as possible to obtain a faster page generation time..its not normally the case when a page loads slow. Its generally due to the corss query of several tables written in a way to overload the process. My main argument FOR Nuke Evo and Against any other CMS would be this very reason. Nuke Evo has built a standard list of "Global Variables that haven't been matched by any other CMS to date. Hence the secret to its speed. I havent found an area in which it cost in any way its functioning on addons. In fact, its the opposite..if the core is fast, one could afford to give some slower process like large XML file parsing ( aaotracker cross XML parse block ), or even larger swf files to be loaded on a page before its noticed in something like themes.

Themes themselves..sure some load slow...hell, if you noticed the influx in these new "tech Themes" where there are flash images everywhere you look then your page generation times are going to be slow no matter what core your running on. But just as PED mentioned..the end user gets what they want and then they learn the cost of what they want...as a coder..its not my responsibility to influence the development in themes but to influence the "options" that themes may have.

As for Ghost, i can vouch for "Ghost" and "Scorpio" on Evo-United ...they are very knowledgeable when dealing with modules, blocks and addons..i WOULD NOT vouch for the rest of the staff, just as i wouldn't vouch for the Staff at nuke Evolution.com.
While i DO trust Ghost, and Scorpio, the rest have been known to not only violate copyrights but have also been known to rip themes as well. Im sure Ghost wouldn't know anything about it, and if he did, i wouldnt expect him to actually do anything about it either..his site has been a success and there is no reason to change that by getting rid of his staff...But make no mistake..there are developers and themers that would rather be less successful then be known associates of Ripping!

Hey Duck

You sound like a decent person and positive attitude. Seems to be hard to find among coders as I see...lol I would like to help in any way I can.. so if you think yah could use someone to kick around... let me know... :) lol I guess my answer to my original post is NUKE LIVES and will be reborn. If not.. by someone else.. guess i will have to get my butt in gear and do it myself... hahahaha damn that would be a mess.... anyways its been good to read your replies whether good or bad. Nomatters, I see all input as good.
Ty all for the codes, scripts and support now and in the past.. James

Im enjoying reading all the comments this morning, its positive reading that you all feel so strong about PHPNuke.

I do like the name though Supreme Nuke !!

how can nuke be on its way out? there are too many community sites supporting nuke its unbelieveable , google php nuke to see what i mean.

nuke owns any other content management system its really userfriendly and to be able to do what you want you only need the tiniest amount of coding skills.

php nuke platinum is the best form of nuke , the dudes there are so keen to get make the open source project better and better its inspiring :)

typhon01

How can it be.. thats easy.. alot of the links are Dead Links, modules/block dates are mostly 2005 and earlier since last updated. That leads to incompatibility with newer versions of nuke. The sprouting of different distros also lead to more compatibility issues. So now if you want something to work you have the MOD the files instead of just install and go. As a user, not a coder... trust me.. ITS A LIVING HELL.... lol .
It may not be on its way out, but it sure dropped popularity in the past 2 years. Thats why I started this topic. I don't want to see a good thing disappear. I wanna see it grow and get back the attention nuke deserves. The simplicity of using nuke made building websites fun and productive. Thats why I appreciate the coders of nuke most. They had the user intentions in mind instead of their own wild adventures that make a user go nuts and have to read page after page on what the hell one is suppose to do to get something to work like with Joomla. A more skilled person could figure it out... but there are far more non skilled users out there and if they tried some of those other CMS's, I am sure they would of just gave up after a short time.
I never posted anything before on any sites really regarding this subject. I never thought anyone would even reply to be honest. So far I read all these posts and I am actually excited about the next direction Nuke may take place. One Happy Nuker :) Later guys/gals. Have a great day!!!

PhpNuke will never fade out as like Ped said their is too many addons and mods already out their. and their is always an update every few months or so. XD

i have 5 years now that i use phpnuke. Best CMS ever made.

i have seen a debate about this question on the future nuke website and i can assure you that there is no chance of php nuke dieing , there are too many supporters with the project . there is no other CMS as good as nuke and never will be

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This is really nice!

i like phpnuke, but i use nuke evo cuse of all the added stuff.

Pah at nuke evo lol dont like the menus onit XD

SEE what i mean ... ITS GROWING . Thank ALL of you who has posted to this ... each and every one of you has confirmed this thread.... GOT TO LOVE IT

its growing every second and im loving it for easy interfear.

I just bought a theme for phpnuke, I hope it doesn't go away....

The worst part about phpnuke is it uses phpBB as the forum, SMF is WAY better...

can nuke last for another 5 year maybe

Mambo/Joomla is growing very fast , i used it on a few sites